Two weeks after South by Southwest, senior editor Roxanne
Bogucka sat down with author Joe
Lansdale in the dealers’ room of science fiction convention
AggieCon.
Roxanne Bogucka: … I’m talking to Joe Lansdale, author
of “Bubba Ho-tep.” Good morning.
Jon Lansdale: Good morning, how are you?
RB: I’m fine thanks… I saw you at South by Southwest,
and had you seen Bubba Ho-tep with an audience before?
JL: Yes, as a matter of fact I saw it in Las Vegas at its
premiere and I’ve seen it several times since—in Houston and
then of course in Austin, yeah.
RB: The South by Southwest audience was extremely appreciative.
They whooped and hollered. Is that what you’ve been seeing
mostly?
JL: Yeah, and they’ve been turning people away in droves,
too. People want to see this film. And it’s been very exciting
and I’ve really loved it.
RB: Well we really loved the film, and at South by Southwest
it was a midnight screening and it was in rather small venues.
I think two of the three times it was a midnight screening.
And it’s so much a midnight movie. What do you think makes
it such a midnight movie?
JL: I think that people, when they go to midnight movies,
want to see something that they’re not going to see normally
on television, or normally on video, which, especially when
it’s brand new, something that’s so unique and it’s just coming
from out of left field. And I think that’s what Bubba
does.
RB: Definitely does that. A lot of people that I’ve talked
to who’ve seen the movie now say that they can imagine it
being a long-running midnight movie, taking on—you know, even
though it hasn’t been distributed for theatrical—yet they
can see it taking on this sort of long life that a Rocky
Horror has or something. What do you think about that
and why do you think that is?
JL: It has a cult aspect. And I think it’s because it’s dealing
with cult figures—Elvis, JFK, and of course the old
mummy and the horror aspect. And to some extent, Bruce
Campbell is a cult figure in acting. Don [Coscarelli]
is a cult figure in directing, and whether I like it or not,
I have a cult audience along with my mainstream audience.
And “Bubba Ho-tep” itself, as a story, is a cult story. I
mean when I wrote that story several years ago, I would’ve
never dreamed it would be filmed. Never. But once they did
it, I realized… this taps into a lot of things that people
are interested in.
RB: Who did the screenplay?
JL: Don did the screenplay from my novella, but it’s almost…
it’s close to being verbatim. It’s very very close. It’s about
95%. The other 5% was some things they couldn’t do. They just
didn’t have the ability to do them financially, for special
effects and stuff. But it’s very close. Very close.
RB: I had read the story in a collection, I think called
The King Is Alive or maybe it’s The King Is Dead—
JL: Dead.
RB: Yeah. Interestingly enough, I had an interview a few
months ago with Bruce Campbell when he came to Austin touring
behind If Chins Could Kill, and I had not seen the
movie yet, so I was asking him how realistic [to the story]
it was going to be and I teased him a bit about whether he
was going to do the nudity. He said no.
JL: [laughs] Yeah, one of the things he wanted to know, the
first thing he asked Don, he says, “Are we going to show the
penis?” That was a big deciding factor.
RB: Well in horror they say what you don’t see is scarier.
JL: That is definitely the case here. He did a marvelous
job too. I think it’s his best acting job. I think it’s the
best thing he’s ever done. He’s always fun, but in this one
I think he really put on his acting chops. And I think he
went in there after it. And then Ossie Davis is just
amazing. And one of the things about Ossie is, I went out
and watched when they were filming—four or five days we were
out there—and I’d watch Ossie and he didn’t seem to be doing
much. And I said, “You know, Ossie’s always so terrific but
he’s…” I said to my son, “He doesn’t seem to be doing much.
He seems kind of laid-back.” And then when I saw it on film,
I said, “God, that man’s a genius!” Because he knows exactly
how much it takes. He knows when to look at the camera. He
knows how. There is a pro. He’s been a hero of mine for years
anyway, not only for film but for civil rights, and so many
things that he’s involved with. And to have him in a film
of mine, I felt like Bruce Campbell: “Ossie? What are you
doing in this film?” [laughs]
RB: So Bubba Ho-tep was your first thing that was
filmed, I guess? But now you have Mucho Mojo coming?
JL: Well I’ve actually had options since the late ’80s. I’ve
probably had 25 different things optioned and some of them
optioned 10 times, 7 times. But Mucho Mojo has been
optioned by Studio Canal with David Goyer set to direct
and Ted Tally, who did Silence Of The Lambs,
did the screenplay. I love the screenplay. They’re trying
to cast actors now. The Big Blow was optioned by Ridley
Scott and Neil Edelstein, and Dead In The West
was optioned by another company. I have numerous options right
now. So we can hope, you know?
RB: Fabulous. I look forward to seeing some of those.
Sometimes when things are adapted—you sound like you’ve had
really good luck with Don Coscarelli, who was very faithful
to your work—what do you think makes a movie script work?
Sometimes they’re very faithful and people complain. Like
there’ve been complaints for example about the J.K. Rowling
adaptations for the movies with Harry Potter, because some
people said they were too faithful, but then here’s Bubba
Ho-tep that was very faithful and very good. What’s the
magic?
JL: I think it just depends. It’s almost impossible to put
your finger on that. Some things will adapt very well. Now
frankly I thought this was totally unadaptable. When he first
wanted to option, I said, “Don, what are you thinking? You
can’t film this.” And then later on when he was doing the
screenplay—he asked me to do the screenplay, and I said, “Don.
It can’t be done, man. You can do this but it just won’t happen.”
He did the screenplay, I read it, and I said, “You just put
the story.” And he said, “Yeah, I told you.” So Don was right.
So I think that it has a lot to do with the individual story.
There are some things that won’t adapt well. But I think what
ultimately I thought wouldn’t adapt was exactly what did adapt.
It was the uniqueness of it, and the oddness of it. And just
the juxtaposition of such seemingly unconnected elements,
and yet we found that connection. I found it, I think, in
the story, and he took that and he found some other way to
emphasize those connections. And I think it was beautiful.
Because what you’ve got is, you got these legendary people,
Elvis and JFK, and none of us want them to have gone out like
they went out. And so we really do see it as a tribute to
those people in its own kind of little bizarre, comic way.
RB: They could go out like heroes.
JL: Yeah, like heroes. Yeah.
RB: So. Now that you’ve seen basically Don did the story,
you have any temptation whatsoever to write a screenplay?
JL: Well I’ve written them and I’ve actually sold two and
optioned several. So I’ve done it before and that’s one reason
Don wanted me to do it. But we plan on working together in
the future, so… I’ve got a screenplay for something and it
may well be next. So we’ll see.
RB: What would you like to see? Have you ever had something
you wrote that you were like, “Wow! I’d really like to see
this made into a film.”
JL: Well yeah, I think several of them. The Bottoms,
right now there’s a possibility it may be a film. It’s a favorite
novel of mine. The thing is, you want to see it made into
a film if it can be filmed correctly. And I’m like that about
The Magic Wagon. What I fear is that—it’s one of mine
that I’m really, really close to—it would be filmed and not
be so good, you know. But I think The Bottoms and The
Magic Wagon and A Fine Dark Line and the Hap and
Leonard series, I’d love to see those things filmed.
RB: Thank you very much.
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